The Leslie F​lint​ Tr​ust

Present: Leslie Flint, Dr Dinshaw Nanji

Communicators: Annie Nanji, Mickey

Leslie Flint:

There’s a whisper. I think someone’s trying to speak.

Dinshaw Nanji:

Yes, yes...

Flint:

It’s very faint...

Dinshaw:

Yes, darling I am…I am here. Yes darling. I am here.

Annie Nanji:

I'm so happy.

Dinshaw:

If you can speak a little louder.

Annie:

Yes. I’m here. I’m here.

Dinshaw:

Yes, I know you are here darling...

Annie:

I'm close to you every day. Every day I come to you...

Dinshaw:

Yes, I know. Yes darling, I know.

Annie:

Can you hear me?

Dinshaw:

Yes. I’m so happy to hear you. I’m so happy to hear you.

Annie:

[Breathing] D...D...D...D...

Dinshaw:

Yes darling.

Annie:

...D...

Dinshaw:

Hmm?

Annie:

...D...

Dinshaw:

Yes?

Flint:

Sounds as if she is saying D-something, I don’t...

Dinshaw:

My, my name is Dino.

Annie:

Dino.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Annie:

Dino.

Dinshaw:

Yes my darling.

Dino.

Dinshaw:

Yes, my darling.

Annie:

I’m here.

Dinshaw:

Uh…

Annie:

I’m here.

Dinshaw:

Yes darling.

Annie:

Dino.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Annie:

I’m so happy...

Dinshaw:

Yes...

Annie:

...to speak to you.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Annie:

I’m so happy to speak to you...

Dinshaw:

Yes darling.

Annie:

Dino, Dino.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Annie:

Dino.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Annie:

[Breathing]

Dinshaw:

I'm ever with you darling.

Annie:

I’m close to you always.

Dinshaw:

Yes...

Annie:

[Breathing]

Dinshaw:

Yes, I know.

Annie:

[Breathing]

Mickey:

Mister...?

Dinshaw:

Yes?

Mickey:

If you ask her questions...

Dinshaw:

Yes?

Mickey:

...that perhaps she can answer. She’s very excited...

Dinshaw:

Yes I...

Mickey:

...and a bit emotional.

Dinshaw:

Yes I...

Mickey:

She keeps calling you Dina.

Dr Nanji:

Yes, that is my pet name she had.

Mickey:

Ah well, she calls you Dina.

Dinshaw:

Yes, she’s...it is my pet name. And I, I would love to, uh…love to hear her, about the children, uh...

Annie:

Yes. I'm with the children. I have the children with me today.

Dinshaw:

Yes?

Flint:

She has the children with her today she says.

Dinshaw:

Yes, and… I’m so happy to know everything about them.

Annie:

How is Mamma?

Flint:

Something about mother she’s saying. Mamma.

Dinshaw:

Yes, yes!

Annie:

All my love. All my love.

Dinshaw:

Yes darling, I know.

Annie:

Everything is the same. You kept everything much the same in the apartment.

Dinshaw:

Yes?

Annie:

Everything is the same. I come to you every night.

Dinshaw:

Yes darling.

Annie:

You know, we’re together a lot. We are never separated.

Dinshaw:

No. I know that dear. I can hear you tapping.

Annie:

Yes.

Dinshaw:

I hear you tapping in the morning. I hear you tapping in the evening before I go to sleep.

Annie:

And the music.

Dinshaw:

Hmm?

Annie:

The music.

Dinshaw:

Yes darling.

Annie:

I listen to the music.

Dinshaw:

Yeah...

Flint:

She says she listens to the music.

Dinshaw:

Yes, I know that, yes.

Annie:

My music.

Dinshaw:

Yes, I know.

Annie:

Yes. [Breathing]

[Pause]

Mickey:

Um...I’m trying to help.

Dinshaw:

Yes...

Mickey:

It's all...it’s very new for her.

Dinshaw:

Yes...

Mickey:

She’s very excited...

Dinshaw:

Yes...

Mickey:

…and a little bit emotional.

Dinshaw:

Yes, darling...

[Pause]

Mickey:

She’s a wonderful soul.

[Pause]

Dinshaw:

Is it possible for the children to speak to me, Mickey?

Mickey:

Uh...I’ll see. I’ll try. Just a moment, sir...

Dinshaw:

Yes...

Mickey:

I’m trying to get things...hold on...

Dinshaw:

If she can rest a little.

[Pause]

Dinshaw:

My daughter’s name is Sybilla and my son’s name is Peter.

[Pause]

Annie:

I don't know...perhaps....Did you say again?

I've brought the children with me.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Annie:

Sybilla...

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Annie:

...and Peter.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Annie:

It’s so wonderful speaking to you. I wish I could speak louder. But perhaps when I’m more used to it, I may be able to.

Dinshaw:

Yes darling.

Annie:

...but it's very strange.

Dinshaw:

I understand.

Annie:

It's very strange.

Dinshaw:

Yeah.

Annie:

All I want is you to be happy and to know that one day we shall be together again.

Dinshaw:

Yes darling. I know that. I know.

Annie:

We expect Mother to come soon.

Dinshaw:

Yes, yes. I know that darling.

Annie:

Don’t move away. Stay where you are.

Dinshaw:

Yes, I understand. I will.

Annie:

Don't move away.

Dinshaw:

Yes. I will darling.

Annie:

Everything is the same...

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Annie:

What about the painting?

Dinshaw:

I have taken them with me and I am going to...uh...have you just on top of my bed and the children on each side of you.*

Annie:

Yes, that's nice.

Dinshaw:

That will be nice.

Annie:

I am so happy about the pictures.

Dinshaw:

Yes...uh…

Annie:

And now I am talking to you. I'm so thrilled and so excited!

Dinshaw:

[Laughing] Yes darling, I...

Annie:

I want you to know I’m happy.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Annie:

I’m very happy.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Annie:

I love you very much. We shall be together again one day.

Dinshaw:

Yes, we will soon be together darling, yes. The time goes very quickly.

Annie:

Don’t worry, don’t worry.

Dinshaw:

Yes. Time goes very quickly.

Annie:

[Unintelligible]

Dinshaw:

I feel you are with me every second...

Mickey:

She’s trying to speak in some other language.

Dinshaw:

Yes darling. She may talk to me in Swedish.

Mickey:

I think she’s speaking in Swedish or something. It’s not English now.

Dinshaw:

No.

Mickey:

Um…

Annie:

[Unintelligible]

Dinshaw:

No.

Mickey:

Have you any connections at all with India?

Dinshaw:

Any connection...?

Mickey:

...with India at all?

Dinshaw:

No. I have broken off connections and I am now become a Swedish citizen.

Mickey:

Yes, but have you any background or connections?

Dinshaw:

Oh, yes I have. I myself was born in India.

Mickey:

Oh, well that’s why she’s talking about India, then.

Dinshaw:

Yes, I was born in India.

Mickey:

Because at one time, you were linked with India…

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

...when you were a very young man...

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

…because there are some people here who are related to you…

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

…who were born and lived in India.

Dinshaw:

Yes, that’s it.

Mickey:

They are relations of yours…

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

…because although you live in Sweden and your Swedish nationality…

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

…your background is India.

Dinshaw:

Yeah, that’s right.

Mickey:

Is that right?

Dinshaw:

Yes, perfectly.

Mickey:

Because they told me about it.

Dinshaw:

Yes, that’s perfectly right, Mickey. And, eh, my wife also had come to India for many years.

Mickey:

Yes. Well, this is all very interesting because I don’t know you…

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

...and have never met you.

Dinshaw:

Mmm...

Mickey:

But I only know what I am told to tell you.

Dinshaw:

Yes...

Mickey:

And, they tell me that, um, you have this background of India…

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

And, um, also they’re some people here who, who will connect with Delhi…

Dinshaw:

Delhi?

Mickey:

Yes.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

Who were relations of yours that your wife has met over here.

Dinshaw:

Yes, yes.

Mickey:

And, um... just a moment. I don’t know if you’re interested in Gandhi, are you?

Dinshaw:

Gandhi?

Mickey:

Yes.

Dinshaw:

Uh. Yes, uh, as a, a…

Mickey:

Well, all I can tell you sir, is what I am told to tell you…

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

…and that is, that there is a gentleman here who I think is your father…

Dinshaw:

Uh-huh.

Mickey:

…and I think he had great admiration for Gandhi.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

Because they met over here.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

And, um, your wife, of course, is the predominant person who comes to you, obviously.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

But, there are obviously other people…

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

…relations of yours…

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

…and relations of your wife, you see,

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

…and your children.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

And they’re all come together in love and affection...

Dinshaw:

Ah…

Mickey:

…with a great band of...you know...of, of love for you.

Dinshaw:

Yes. God bless them.

Mickey:

Um…um…do you mix up things and make things in tubes…

Dinshaw:

Yes, yes…

Mickey:

...and bottles and things.

Dinshaw:

Yes, exactly! [Laughing]

Mickey:

Are you, sort of, in a chemist shop or what?

Dinshaw:

No, no.

Mickey:

Because I see you in a laboratory and I see you with all sorts of weights and scales…

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

…and bottles and tubes and…

Dinshaw:

I, I am working in a university in Sweden.

Mickey:

Do you teach at all?

Dinshaw:

Uh, no, I don’t teach, but I do research.

Mickey:

You demonstrate or something?

Dinshaw:

No, I do research.

Mickey:

Well, all I know is that your wife says that they’re still interested in what you’re doing and helping you.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

And, um, this brother of yours, he’s very near you.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

He comes to you a lot…

Dinshaw:

Ah, ha?

Mickey:

…in the laboratory.

Dinshaw:

Yes, yes. [Pause]

Has he any message for his wife?

Mickey:

Well, he says that he would like to contact her, but he doesn’t think she’ll believe you.

Dinshaw:

She…?

Mickey:

She doesn’t believe, does she?

Dinshaw:

Yeah, she doesn’t believe, yeah...

Mickey:

He says, 'What is the point?'...

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

She will not believe...

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

…if you tell her.

Dinshaw:

Yes, you’re right.

Mickey:

But he says he is often with her.

Dinshaw:

Yes, uh, you’re right.

Mickey:

Is there another man in her life?

Dinshaw:

Uh...in the wife's life?

Mickey:

Yeah.

Dinshaw:

I believe...

Mickey:

Well, he says she has interest in another direction…

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

But he quite understands because she’s been very lonely.

Dinshaw:

Yes, I understand.

Mickey:

Who’s Rani?

Dinshaw:

Uh, what name, please?

Mickey:

Rani.

Dinshaw:

Vani?

Mickey:

Sounds like Vani or Rani.

Dinshaw:

Rani?

Mickey:

Perhaps I haven’t got it correct. Anyway, it’s your wife that matters most.

Dinshaw:

Yes, exactly. Oh, she’s wonderful.

[Pause]

Annie:

Hello? Da, Da, Da...

Dinshaw:

Yes darling.

Annie:

Da, Da...

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Annie:

Dada...

Dinshaw:

Yes darling. I know. I am here.

Annie:

[Unintelligible]

Dinshaw:

Yes darling.

Annie:

I wish I could speak better.

Dinshaw:

Yes darling.

Annie:

I’m trying so very hard.

Dinshaw:

Yes darling.

Annie:

But I love you. You know I am so close to you.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Annie:

I am very near…

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Annie:

…everyday.

Dinshaw:

Yes. That’s wonderful.

Flint:

[Loud coughing]

Dinshaw:

I feel that, my dear. I feel that.

Annie:

Thank you for the roses. Thank you for the roses.

Dinshaw:

Oh, don’t mention it darling. I know you love flowers.

Annie:

The children are here.

Dinshaw:

Hmm. I know, yes. I know they'll love them too. I think the children are really wonderful, now I have seen them...and God bless them always. Both of them.

Mickey:

Your wife is really interested in what appears to be a painting of herself.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

Em…but, it’s…I don't, somehow, think it's the one you're thinking about.

Dinshaw:

Yes?

Mickey:

Have you got a large picture of your wife...coloured?

Dinshaw:

Ah…

Mickey:

In colour?

Dinshaw:

I have one, uh, completed by a psychic artist this week, uh....

Mickey:

Well, it is in colour?

Dinshaw:

It is in colour, yes.

Mickey:

Because she says that you made some comment, uh, that you thought it was very good and you’re very pleased with it.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

But there are certain differences that, at first, rather surprised you.

Dinshaw:

Yes exact...

Mickey:

She says, for instance, her hair.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

But she says, now her hair is long.

Dinshaw:

Yes. I, I, I, I was expecting...

Mickey:

And also she’s talking about pale blue.

Dinshaw:

Pale blue?

Mickey:

Yes.

Dinshaw:

Uh…

Mickey:

She’s talking about wearing something…

Dinshaw:

Hmm…

Mickey:

…uh, that is pale blue.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

Uh, this is a dress…

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

…which you have got, I believe.

Dinshaw:

Yes, yes.

Mickey:

Um…she was very fond of clothes, was she?

Dinshaw:

Very fond of clothes and very fond of...

Mickey:

Jewellery?

Dinshaw:

Jewellery and everything nice about her.

Mickey:

She was a very attractive lady, wasn’t she?

Dinshaw:

Yes, she was.

Mickey:

And, uh, why is she talking about the pearls?

Dinshaw:

Pearls?

Mickey:

Yes, pearls.

Dinshaw:

Yes, she had some jewellery with pearls...

Mickey:

No, I think this is some special thing.

Dinshaw:

Uh-huh.

Mickey:

To do with an earring was it? Or earrings?

Dinshaw:

Yes. Earring and also a ring, uh, in pearls and also a necklace in pearls.

Mickey:

She loved pearls.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

And, she says you still have all her bits and pieces…

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

…all the lovely things and you won’t let anyone touch them.

Dinshaw:

No, I cannot part with them, dear.

Mickey:

She says that one day somebody will, of course, have them.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

But, um, she says, have you made arrangements so that when you come here that they will…

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

…go to people?

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

You know...

Dinshaw:

Yes, they’ll be taken care of, yes.

Mickey:

Oh. Well, she seems to think that you won’t be coming yet a while.

Dinshaw:

No?

Mickey:

You’ve got to go…wait a few years yet, you know.

Dinshaw:

[Laughing] I thought it would be next year.

Mickey:

Oh, no.

Dinshaw:

No?

Mickey:

No. Um…I think that you have got to stay a little longer to do certain spiritual work.

Dinshaw:

Oh, my dear. You mean…how many years? [Laughing]

Mickey:

Well, I can’t say. It’s not for me to say.

Dinshaw:

No…

Mickey:

But, um, they don’t seem to think that you will be coming yet a while, you know. Were you together for over 40 years?

Dinshaw:

Yes.**

Mickey:

Why does she...45 was it?

Dinshaw:

She was, uh, about 53 when she passed away. Today she will be about 56, 57.

Mickey:

Well...she says that, um, every hour, every day, every month and every year was precious, because you loved each other so dearly.

Dinshaw:

Perfect.

Mickey:

And she says that nothing could ever come between you and she always wants you to know that her love will always surmount all difficulties…

Dinshaw:

Yeah.

Mickey:

…and that the time will come when you will be together. But she says you do come over during your sleep.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

You leave your body and do you remember sometimes being with her?

Dinshaw:

Yes! I do!

Mickey:

’Cause she says she hopes that you can recapture the memory of your happiness together over here, during your sleep.

Dinshaw:

Yes, yes. Uh…I feel that…

Mickey:

Yes.

Dinshaw:

…and I hope I will get a vision of her…

Mickey:

But there is a very special anniversary that comes in a few week’s time.

Dinshaw:

Yes, that is her birthday on the nineteenth.

Mickey:

Because she’s laughing about the...November, isn’t it?

Dinshaw:

In November.

Mickey:

The nineteenth?

Dinshaw:

Nineteenth. Correct.

Mickey:

Yes, she says November the nineteenth is her anniversary.

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

But she says that the years come and go, but she says there’s no age here. She is young and she’s now like she was when she was twenty…

Dinshaw:

Ah…

Mickey:

…to look at, you know?

Dinshaw:

Yes.

Mickey:

And that’s another thing about that picture. She says that she’s younger.

Dinshaw:

Yes, that is true. That is perfectly true. And, uh, I like…

END OF RECORDING

* Paintings = the spirit portraits of Annie Nanji and their children, drawn by psychic artist Coral Polge.

** Dinshaw mishears Mickey at this point and Mickey misunderstands. Dinshaw and Annie were not together for 40 years.

This transcript was kindly created for the Trust by Mary Beth Mank - August 2017